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I think they went about getting to market wrong. They should not have targeted end consumers with their equipment. They should have went after the convenience store market using the soda dispenser/automated latte/vending machine/icee making business model. Basically convince the store owner to have some refrigerated space dedicated to the pouches and then put the machine nearby for the customer to make their own juice in real time.
I see a Juice company in the SF Ferry Building selling fresh squeezed juice for over $8. If they could have positioned themselves somewhere between that and $2 pasteurized/packaged juice from the grocery store, they could have done very well. Nope; check it out: That's mostly carrot (+lemon and orange) but still it's very dry. See also AvE's video1 where he opens a bag and its full of processed but still largely intact pomegranate. You can squeeze most of a first glass out by hand2 but that's about it.
To get the rest out a press really is necessary- but Juicero isn't just a press. It's massive machined aluminum billets and expensive gears and a custom motor. The huge aluminum parts are likely the biggest cost sink- hundreds of dollars, easily. If they had made the things out of extrusions they could have saved 80%+ on the cost. Just goofy all around. Edit: also this.
Enthusiastic gentleman, who is pretty enthusiastic about the contents of the bag3 1: 2: 3. I remember first trying Tropicana Pure Premium probably 2+ decades ago now. It was awesome. Tasted like pure juice from an orange. I don't drink OJ much anymore, but a couple of years ago I had some Pure Premium and noticed that it really tasted a lot more like concentrate than I'd remembered-it had that kind of acidic/slightly artificial taste.
So, I did a little digging and found that it is now run through a process called 'deaeration'. Apparently, this is well-known and the subject of controversy. The short is that they take the oxygen out, pasteurize it, and store it in massive tanks. Problem with that is that it loses its flavor. So, they add 'flavor packets' before packaging it. It's amazing that they can still call it 100% juice. Then again, it's somehow legal to say that a carton 'contains 100% juice' simply because at some point some measure of 100% juice was poured in, even if the total juice ratio ends up being 2% when other ingredients are subsequently added.
OJ is a scam from start to finish: from the ridiculous claims about its healthfulness; to the slightly-shrinking packages, designed to look the same standard sizes; to what they dub 100% pure squeezed juice. The trouble is, I've always thought Juicero was a bank shot for digitized food in general.
If that's the case, they needed to be serving consumers not businesses. The concept of food that's uniquely tagged and tracked from origin to consumption is pretty attractive - makes contamination a breeze to trace back, keeps you from cooking with rotten food since the machine knows to reject it, and it could automatically track what you've got in your kitchen to suggest recipes / restock for you. That's all been thought of before, the trouble is how on earth do you build that network? I suspect the reason Juicero got so much money is they were trying to build it first with high end luxury foods, and then expand down-market to eventually own the 'groceries of the future.'
Personally, I think good ol Jeff Bezos is going to win this one too by first owning grocery delivery straight up, and then going 'oh by the way they're all trackable if you want, you should buy Amazon brand appliances to make use of the feature:)' because as others pointed out here, counter space is at a premium and nobody really wants appliances that don't work with all their ingredients. Anyway, that's what I tell myself to make this whole ludicrous story less sad. The concept of food that's uniquely tagged and tracked from origin to consumption is pretty attractive - makes contamination a breeze to trace back, keeps you from cooking with rotten food since the machine knows to reject it, and it could automatically track what you've got in your kitchen to suggest recipes / restock for you. What makes you think people want those things? I certainly don't, and I've never heard anyone mention wanting any of those things.
I have heard people mention that they hate appliances like the coffee makers that only work with the expensive patented coffee pods from their manufacturer. (And printers, etc.) I don't want any appliance that the manufacturer can shut down or refuse to run remotely. (See the recent story about the guy who paid off his car, but it was disabled remotely because he didn't pay the 'remove the disabler' fee.) In 35 years of cooking, I don't recall ever using ingredients that went bad. I'm sure I probably did once or twice, but it didn't leave a bad enough impression on me to even remember, let alone want this sort of device that's tethered to the network and manufacturer, with all the problems that brings. I must be the completely wrong target consumer but I just see so little value in all of this to warent any expense and security risk of the appliances being networked.
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Oven preheating: takes 15 minutes when I get home barely enough time to prepare whatever I'm putting in there. Loud dry/dishes alerts: I don't see how it's useful. If I'm not home it doesn't matter to me if the laundry or dishes are done or not as I can't do anything about it. Any filter changes: almost all either work on specific timing intervals, so just set 5 years worth of reminders in your phone, or they detect pressure differentials and a service light can just turn on when the machine needs a new filter. Manage AC for max efficiency: nothing a programmable thermostat can't handle unless you have really crazy schedules but even then the savings are minuscule. Turning on/off lights: okey, could be useful.
I agree with this sentiment. I made the decision a few years ago to try and automate away the little things. And I am surprised how often I actually use little things like adjusting the lighting, finding my phone or keys, or even raising and lowering blinds. Just yelling, 'Alexa, turn off all the lights' as I walk out the door, or 'Alexa, set the house temperature to 72' as I lay down for bed has really cut out a lot of fastidious things that by themselves doesn't matter much, but added up use a surprising amount of time. Saying, 'why would I want something to do x or y?' Sounds just like people I remember back in the 90s that said, why would I want email when I can just call? And then, why would I use text messaging when I can just email.
I wouldn't want to have my oven on when I am not home- it might just be me but it seems dangerous to leave a hot oven unattended. I always check the oven before starting it to make sure it's empty. I guess I am somewhat paranoid that something somehow ended up in there. The rest of the stuff I, personally, don't see any value in other than energy efficiency and that doesn't really require networking. My fridge is constantly telling me that I need a new water and air filters but I just ignore it and assume it's a ploy to sell more filters (like printers that report you need more ink despite printing fine). You might want to double-think that filter thing.
Water filters can build up bacteria (listeria is not a fun thing - there are others, too - some pretty bad); this can cause everything from a 'funky smell' to 'go to emergency room or die'. That said, tap water in most municipalities is pretty damn clean, and you can run without a filter; but if you don't want to change the filter, then do just that - remove the filter, so that you don't give the bacteria a nice growth area. If you do change the filter, don't go more than a year between changes at most. Most filters are cheap enough, usually less than $50 USD. As far as the air filter - well, I've never heard of one on a fridge - but if you have one, it's probably to filter the air before it gets to the fan that cools the compressor.
If you let it get super dirty, it won't move the air, and your compressor will be overheated/overworked, and it's life will be shortened, or it will fail - or the breaker on the fridge (know where your's is?) will trip. And don't take the filter off and just run filterless - because now the cooling coils will act as the filter, and they are anything but easy to clean (because if you don't, again failures will eventually occur - nbtw, that they sell a special fridge coil cleaning brush that looks like a very narrow bottle brush). If you're talking about other filters in your house (HVAC) - then you want to change those too, fairly regularly. If you don't, again, you'll be overworking your A/C unit, plus the air won't be moved around effectively (making the unit run longer to cool/heat - increasing your bill). Plus, those filters get pretty nasty too - and that stuff doesn't stay on the filter.
They make reusable filters - you cut them with scissors to match the filter opening, then when you are ready to clean them, you take them outside and run a water from a sprayer hose 'backwards' thru the filter, then let 'em air dry. That can be a cheaper and easier alternative to holding on to a box or two of filters (though such filters are pretty cheap). Finally - note that on many cars (not all!) there is a 'cabin air filter'. Check your manual on how to replace it; most people don't know about that filter, but it isn't difficult to change out.
Costs of course are variable, depending on the car. Again, though, if you don't replace it regularly, your cabin heating/cooling will suffer, air flow will be reduced, the fan motor will have to work harder, etc. Basically - for air filter, check them now and then.
When they look like they are getting overly fuzzy, or you can't see thru 'em - change them out. I bought an 'Owl' energy clamp and display from the discount bin at a local hardware store - about £13 ISTR. I made a copy of the rflink (Arduino-based 433MHz rf sniffer/decoder: - about £20 including ESP8266 wifi link) that decodes the signal from the Owl, my wireless doorbell and that of an outdoor temp/humidity sensor (£6 from Banggood). The board can also send control signals to the rf-enabled mains sockets I have collected over the years (for lights and home appliances). It's all managed by a raspberry Pi (About £20).
The system can also pick up my wireless doorbell, and I am about to add temperature sensors and relays (£25) to my central heating system so everything is automated and controllable from Node-Red and a Web interface. Overall, I will have a private home control system for under £100 and I can view and manage it from my laptop or a VPN link from my phone. For me, the IoT takeaway is, if you want to be able to trust it, you need to do it yourself. Commercial products seem to always want to sell your data to the highest bidder, aside from the potential firmware security problems. At least with the Pi, Arduino, etc., you can control what your Things are doing, and have reasonable assurance they aren't doing things behind your back. I have a Pi graphing outdoor and basement temperature and humidity using rtl433, MRTG, and some scripts, picking up the signals from existing temperature monitors. It's quite a surprise to see how much else is on 433 MHz in my neighborhood, even when using the stubby magnetic mount antenna that came with the RTL-SDR dongle.
At the right price point, probably. On demand juice for.
Possibly, and i certainly agree that there's benefit in a recipe suggestion tool that is linked to your inventory. It's also a good idea to have something tell you what's coming up to use-by, to reduce waste. However, that tracking belongs at the kitchen door using a common industry standard format, and the ability to manually enter inventory items.
If you need a different appliance to prepare food from each vendor, then you won't be able to make Alphabet spaghetti with Amazon beef and Apple tomatoes; you can't pop to the local shop to get some milk; you can't go into your garden to pick some carrots; you can't go to a specialist vendor to get a particular spice mix or exotic vegetable; you can't buy your favourite varieties from a local grower. I can't picture giving up on those advantages just so that Mr. Bezos can tell me what to eat. I'll say this - and I'm in the 'this is a stupid fucking product' camp - but I think sending updates to your appliances to keep you from using bad food is actually the right way to go. I barely read half my mail, snail or electronic.
The chances I'm going to see and read and act on a 'your food is bad!!!' Email (assuming it doesn't get eaten by some filter) before I eat the food in question is low, low low. Some device getting the message and physically stopping me is really the only way to be sure. They could even do this without preventing the machine from squeezing improperly-ordained-by-DRM bags. 'If we recognize the bag, and it's recalled, we'll stop you—or at least yell at you.
If you use someone else's bag you're on your own, but we won't stop you.' Surely they were capable of having this thought.
That they didn't or chose to ignore it hints at ulterior motives—most obvious is overcharging for the bags, since not buying them makes you the proud owner of a $400 paperweight. But a prediction: almost everyone who attempts to block consumers from consuming bad food with technology will do it to overcharge for the food. Safety will be the excuse, not the purpose.
Oh yeah, it's a shitty move to use that as your excuse. If your goal is reducing food poisoning through TECHNOLOGY! And CONNECTIVITY!
To better inform consumers if their food has been recalled, you'd be better off developing food packaging that could eg change color when the food is recalled - a big giant red skull and crossbones appearing on my food packages would probably keep me from accidentally eating bad food. That would both be a challenging engineering project (since it'd have to be cheap, food-safe, and ideally biodegradable), and work for a far wider range of foods and ingredients. If it knows when and where for everything about an ingredient, it probably also knows the tagged expiry/best-before. It's easy to play it safe and just reject everything past expiry, even if it need not actually have gone bad.
And consumers who prioritize contamination safety (not everyone believes expiry dates, but many do) can respect that. There are cases where something can go bad before its expiry date, due to improper storage, but storage conditions until food reaches given appliance could be tracked too to account for that.
There are low-tech versions of spoilage alert. Oxygen sensitive stickers that change color if too much o2 detected inside the package. However - there is one food label that I have always wanted on meats: slaughter date, freeze/pack date, sell date, cook date, eat date. So if I go to the store and there is meat in the freezer - when was that meat caught/slaughtered/packed/frozen. Am I eating something a year old?
If you had that labeling - I would be willing to bet that healthier eating habits would ensue - not that the meat industry would prefer it though. I think the future of food is different - it's about restaurant quality meals, for cheap, large selection, with zero effort. Maybe via online ordering, maybe Whole-foods/Walmart. And you may need some fancy oven like combi-oven or solid-state microwave.
And even if we're talking cuts of meat, i think technology like MATS(microwave assisted thermal sterilization) may give you high quality meat that doesn't spoil for very long, so that won't be an issue. And as for suggesting recipes based on fridge content or restocking (are those such big problems for consumers?) - there are probably other ways to solve that, like AI + camera, no need to reshuffle the whole supply chain.
restaurant quality meals, for cheap, large selection, with zero effort If this were ever to happen - and what I know of food chemistry makes me strongly skeptical - you would definitely see it in actual restaurants way before you get it at home. Because for a restaurant, if you can effectively replace a human costing $40k/yr with a change in supply chain and a fancy machine, you can easily afford to pay $40k for the machine alone. A consumer would never afford that.
(Same goes for fully autonomous cars.) As for the 'reducing food waste' concept - no store actually wants to achieve this. Think about it - actively trying to get people to buy less of what you sell is pretty bad for business. Because for a restaurant, if you can effectively replace a human costing $40k/yr with a change in supply chain and a fancy machine, Ever heard of a TurboChef oven? Because that's almost exactly what you're describing. Think of it as a combination oven that uses microwaves, thermal, and convection to cook stuff extremely fast, and generally of a pretty decent quality. If you've eaten at just about any restaurant, you have likely had something prepared in one (if not the whole meal). They are actually pretty nice machines; if I had the counter room at home I'd have one.
But they aren't cheap. Because the disruptor might succeed with or without them and the disruptor might treat them more favorably (at first) than the status quo. My neighbor grows soybeans, and he hates the guy who buys his soybeans. If someone came in and treated him better and paid him more, I think he'd leap at the chance to sell his crop to them even if it imperiled the future. Besides, suppliers aren't monolithic. Many suppliers are scrapping for new business or ways to differentiate themselves.
Better farmers could be more successful in a paradigm where they could earn extra money for healthy plants than say selling to walmart who simply pays a fixed price if the plants meet minimum standards. If you use a loyalty card at a Kroger owned store, they'll tell you if something is flagged for contamination, it's an automated call system. There is already pretty reasonable tracking on the industry side of the food equation; some things are better than others. It's just not at the point of consumption. I'm kind of okay with this, I'd rather the industry as a whole do more things to prevent contamination period. Making a more friendly notification is nice, it could be a phone call, and email, a notification with some app; it's pretty rare and I want it more rare, not a friendlier notification, that's just me though. Now I think you could make that stuff better, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to hate on Juicero for that.
Their entire play was just VC-Bingo though: they had a device, they had a subscription, they had 'lock in' (device is only good with the subscription) they had internet attachment, it's a health and wellness type play, probably some other things I'm not thinking of. Anyone know if they had to subsidize the prices, that'd be the grand slam if they had to do that too. $30 a week for 5 packs of juice, that's $120 a month and you do the work and clean up the mess and you have to get different juice on the weekends. The bags aren't supposed to make that much mess but I think the psychology of it all is huge, a coffee maker doesn't make much mess either and you'll pay a gigantic premium at a coffee shop. How many months before you get a tip-top of the line cold press juicer that'll make juice out of any produce? With no subscription.
Interesting concept. Tracking what you have to suggest recipes or restock - that's the feature that seems most appealing. But I don't think you need a network like you describe to accomplish that. You could have a 'smart' fridge or some other device that can catalog your food for you thru imaging and scans. Hell, you could just input a list you type up yourself. Like you say, Amazon could easily do this.
They already have a part of it with their dash buttons and smart home devices. They have another part now with Whole Foods and Amazon Fresh. The other benefits you mention are marginal at best, in my opinion. I would never pay a premium for tagged and tracked food like that. Edit: Funny, there's a post on overengineering on the front page! Been there and tried it - went back to paper. A piece of paper is 'always on', it wraps around the push bar of the food cart so I don't have to make adjustments to hold the 'device' and steer at the same time, or keep fishing the phone out of my pocket and unlocking it, nor from the cart itself, while ensuring I don't drop any shopping on the screen or stray too far from the cart and give someone the opportunity to grab the phone.
The only way I'd go back to using a smartphone is if the cart had a lockable universal smartphone cradle. Bonus points would be given for a built-in charger - provided the stores maintained everything so you didn't need to 'test' the carts outside to find one with a working charger and cradle. Agafia is a hermit surviving in the Russian wilderness for 70 years. I recommend the RT report on her because they do not try to force a conclusion to the contact. She is afraid of barcodes even though she barely has any contact with other people. During the last world war humans were assigned serial numbers for efficient tracking and resource allocation and extermination.
Agafia and her people ran away from several regimes that were set on extermination of her people because of their beliefs. All food she comes in contact with must have barcodes removed because to her, barcodes are a sign of the devil. She will not accept anything with barcodes on it. All aid packages must have barcodes removed from them before she will accept them. According to her the next logical step will be to microchip/barcode all humans and track their activities.
Then humans will be treated like cattle and easily controllable assets. Sounds familiar? Whats this entirely detailed sensor that has ALL my access/identity/sentiment/social data on it - where I am required to pay a monthly fee for, and life in modern society will basically stop if I dont have one? The one where I am expected to follow and celebrate every release of one with far more tracking/identifying/documenting features - and then spend more money on upgrading my tracker?
You know - the one where governments and police departments have equipment to fool the device to connecting to just them so they know exactly where I am? That next logical step of Agafia sounds ludicrous! If you have slightly more space and $$ than an end user there are, IMO, much better options available. I see more and more in the grocery stores orange juice squeezers that make juice out of oranges in front of you.
With a clear plastic front you see the machine slicing oranges and squeezing the juice for you into any container you want. Cost-wise it is more expensive than buying not-from-concentrate juice in a half gallon quantities, but not that much more so. The problem is the founders did come from that world and tried to consumerize it. If they'd focused on per-juice-cost (thus, high volume) and gone from attended to semi-attended (office) or unattended (vending machine) it might have won. They also could have just built a 'scrappier' v1.0 hardware product at a lower cost (maybe with rollers or something) at 50% BOM cost and subsidized it a bit more.
At $200 + $6-8 per pack they might have been successful; at $200 + $200/mo for 30 packs they probably would have been. He sums this up well 1 (paraphrasing): This is what you get with no constraints. Building something that lasts and doesn't break the bank is what's hard. This thing will last forever, but it's a machine to squeeze pre-masticated fruit in a plastic bag that costs $400. I've watched this before and just skipped through to find that bit, but I'm fairly certain he also mentions at one point how they're almost certainly selling the juicer itself at a loss, which makes the whole thing that much more absurd. After watching their promo video at the top of the page, I'm left wondering two things: - If the machine takes away all my liberty (I cannot use it on my fruit and vegetables) and even their packs need to be refrigerated and stay good only for 8 days, can't I just buy the resulting juice and put it in my fridge?
(If I left the bottle closed, that would last equally long). So what do I gain? - They're using QR codes to check that I'm not using their packs beyond the 'best by' date or try to trick the machine into squeezing a competitor's cheaper packs. And for that, they need a camera on the inside.
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Didn't somebody at some point notice that the way they're treating their customers is really disrespectful? This is the whole printer-cartridge-thing all over again. EDIT: layout/typos. I'm not familiar with Keurig, but I assume it is similar to Nespresso?
Nespresso became extremely popular because: 1) The machines are very cheap (compared to other espresso makers) 2) They take a fraction of the time to prepare coffee (compared to other methods) 3) They are extremely easy to clean 4) Capsules have a long shelf life, you can get them in small quantities, so it doesn't matter if you drink 3 cups of coffee per day or 3 cups of coffee per month. 5) They have really fancy stores in top locations where they sell their capsules Everything about Nespresso is convenient and feels great. There is no DRM, because that would not be convenient. The only thing that's convenient about the Juicero machine is that it is easy to clean.
Everything else about it, from the short shelf live to the subscription pricing, to the long time it takes to make juice, is just inconvenient. The DRM and Wifi requirement is just stupid. 1) The machines are very cheap (compared to other espresso makers) Simply not true, I have an 160eur Delonghi espresso machine which takes grounded coffee (doesn't grind it itself), and it's pretty awesome for what it cost me. Every 2 weeks, I go to a local coffee shop where I buy on high-quality freshly roasted coffee which I let the shop grind for me. It gives me way better coffee than what I get from a Nespresso. Sure it's a bit more cleanup, but the results are a lot better, and it allows me to pretty easily make a killer cappuccino.
4) Capsules have a long shelf life, you can get them in small quantities. Coffee, once roasted and grounded does not have a long shelf-life, taste and quality goes down remarkably.
That's probably also what makes the most difference in quality comparing a Nespresso with my 'fresher' coffee. The capsules being packed in vacuum does improve this, but I wouldn't keep them for longer than a year. I get my coffee in 250g bags, which is about 15 espresso's, that's not exactly 'large quantities'.
5) They have really fancy stores in top locations where they sell their capsules I prefer local specialized shops that know what the hell they are talking about. But yes I get the convenience and cleaning.
Time to prep is a thing, with my machine, it takes about 1.5 to 2 minutes from start to finish, including 30 sec brew-time and quickly rinsing and wiping everything - which isn't that bad in my book - but yes, a Nespresso scores points here. I don't think I would go through the hassle at work every time I wanted a cup. I have a Nespresso machine and highly disagree with you. The worst part of preparing Coffee is cleaning and the time required when I just want the coffee and not to mess with tools. With the Nespresso, I just put the capsule and I get my coffee. The cleaning is easy and I don't need to clean stuff for every coffee. Sure, you might do a whole bottle of coffee and consume it during the day.
But the machine gives you convenience and it is affordable. I have no problem putting 200-300USD on a coffee machine. Well, I like it fresh.
I didn't try Juicero but I highly doubt that it compares to freshly squeezed oranges. People love being locked in. Applying the keurig model to the juicing trend was a very solid business idea- it rocketed keurig to the top of all coffee makers, and juice fanatics make coffee fanatics look positively sane. I'm pretty cynical about it, but it is still a real and good thing. A half second of convenience makes you feel good and selecting, storing, washing and prepping produce is not trivial.
A few extra clicks in one area of UI makes it a terrible design. The same thing translates into the real world, although at extreme cost (to the environment, primarily). Negative press, overengineering, the smaller market group, and underdelivering convenience (the bags are just way too big compared to coffee) killed juicero. It was such a high-profile and brutal lambasting that it will be a scarlet letter for quite a while, but the core idea is solid enough that I wouldn't be surprised to see the idea re-emerge in 2-3 years.
I still can't get over how much people viscerally hate the idea. You'd think apple, google and microsoft had partnered to make a juice press because of how much juicero represented silicon valley-ness. This will serve as a good example for future startups where taking one concept from one market does not always work in another market. Keurig managed to make a great product at an affordable price range, both the machines ($80-$250) and the K-Cups ($0.85 per pod).
However, a $400 machine, that just squeezes the pack for juice, and each juice pack running several dollars is enough to kill anyone's wallet. I liked how they made an attempt to promote a sustainable healthy lifestyle, but ultimately there are cheaper alternatives. But how is it sustainable to grow fruit, pick it, wash and peel it, then cut it up and put it into some sort of disposable bag, then ship it to each individual who wants it, then require them to own an appliance that likely runs on fossil fuels to get the product out? They could have just shipped bottle of juice to the local supermarket and cut out the machine entirely. The waste would have been less because the bottles would have been recyclable, and they'd own the machines and use them in place in bulk. The shipping would be more sustainable because of the scale of doing all shipping to fewer grocery stores than all their customers (or at least all they hoped to reach eventually). The whole thing is wildly wasteful.
Did you just call pressed veggies and fruits sugary drinks? As in more or less the same as Pepsi? Well, they didn't make any comparison to Pepsi in their comment, but I 'll go ahead and make that comparison. 12 fl oz of:. Orange juice: 31.2g of sugar.
Apple juice: 36g of sugar. Coca-Cola: 39g of sugar. Pepsi: 41g of sugar Not the same, but in the ballpark. But iirc, regular Coke and Pepsi aren't growing.
Diet Pepsi/Coke are. The brands are also coming up with semi-diet versions, such as 'Coca-Cola Life' (17g of sugar).